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== General Rulings ==
== General Rulings ==
'''Vampire Policy''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13603 Vampires are not antagonists just by being a vampire.]
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-KorPhaeron
|-
 
| '''Vampire Policy'''
'''Adminshopping''': Admin shopping is defined as going to different admins until you get a favorable ruling. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13173#p341313 It's highly frowned upon, don't do it.]
| [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13603 Vampires are not antagonists just by being a vampire.]
-Feemjmeem/Agreed with by other headmins
|KorPhaeron
 
|-
'''Mass identity duplication''': Changing many people into one person via genetics/other methods as a nonantagonist. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13357#p346522 It can happen every once in a while, just don't do it every single round.]
|'''Adminshopping'''
-Armhulenn
| Admin shopping is defined as going to different admins until you get a favorable ruling. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13173#p341313 It's highly frowned upon, don't do it.]
 
|Feemjmeem/Agreed with by other headmins
'''IC Torture''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13392#p347353 Don't complain if you get retaliated against for it.]
|-
-KorPhaeron
|'''Mass identity duplication'''
 
|Changing many people into one person via genetics/other methods as a nonantagonist. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13357#p346522 It can happen every once in a while, just don't do it every single round.]
'''Admin intervention without anyone ahelping''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13357#p346522 It's allowed.]
|Armhulenn
-Ausops
|-
 
|'''IC Torture'''
'''Pile on ick ock''': Pile on ick ock is defined as a bunch of people teasing someone for IC in OOCing. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13113#p340427 It's okay until it crosses the line into being spam. Admins can mute OOC/individual players if it gets to that point.]
| [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13392#p347353 Don't complain if you get retaliated against for it.]
-Ausops
|KorPhaeron
 
|-
'''IC reactions to OOC in IC''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13210#p342289 It's okay as long as you're not crossing the line into OOC in IC.]
|'''Admin intervention without anyone ahelping'''
-Ausops
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13357#p346522 It's allowed.]
 
|Ausops
'''Killing nonhostile admin spawned entities''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13158#p340869 Against the rules, don't do it.]
|-
-PKPenguin321
|'''Pile on ick ock'''
 
|Pile on ick ock is defined as a bunch of people teasing someone for IC in OOCing. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13113#p340427 It's okay until it crosses the line into being spam. Admins can mute OOC/individual players if it gets to that point.]
'''Are spiders bound to the mother?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12895#p335656 Unless there's a message saying you are, the answer is no.]
|Ausops
-Armhulenn
|-
 
|'''IC reactions to OOC in IC'''
'''Using OOC to promote yourself for headmin elections''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12837#p333709 One or two lines of text is fine, spamming is not.]
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13210#p342289 It's okay as long as you're not crossing the line into OOC in IC.]
-PKPenguin321
|Ausops
 
|-
'''Are miners using the gluttony syringe antags?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8547#p226268 Yes, they can act as a morph.] -KorPhaeron
|'''Killing nonhostile admin spawned entities'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13158#p340869 Against the rules, don't do it.]
'''Are miners turned into a lesser ash drake allowed to defend themselves?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8547#p226265 Yes, however, they are not antags by default.] -KorPhaeron
|PKPenguin321
 
|-
'''Solo antagonists and metagrudging''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12812#p332994 Solo antagonists can metagrudge as long as they are not rolling for it specifically to do so, and killing someone who killed you in a previous life as a ghost role antag is bad.] -Ausops
|'''Are spiders bound to the mother?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12895#p335656 Unless there's a message saying you are, the answer is no.]
'''Deleting security records as a nonantag''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12649#p329567 Don't do it every round. Don't use a sec/head position to do it. Don't use it to metagrudge.] -Ausops
|Armhulenn
 
|-
'''Deathmatch if round-end is bugged''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12708#p330640 If the round fails to restart, but the end round text plays, then everyone is free to act as per solo antagonists unless otherwise told by an admin.] -MrStonedOne
|'''Using OOC to promote yourself for headmin elections'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12837#p333709 One or two lines of text is fine, spamming is not.]
'''Weapons of Mass Destruction to counter antagonists''': An example of this is suicide bombing a wizard or BoH bombing the cult base. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12662#p329751 If use of the weapon does not win the round for your side immediately after, then it is grief and will be treated as such by admins.] -Armhulenn
|PKPenguin321
 
|-
'''Map-Spawned Ghost Roles''': Such as roles spawned from ruins, including ash walkers, free golems, ancient station crew, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12511 Escalation is massively relaxed with them. They must follow their roleplay guidelines found in the flavour text.] -KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
|'''Are miners using the gluttony syringe antags?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8547#p226268 Yes, they can act as a morph.]
'''Conflict between team antagonists''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12517#p326955 If two people are on the same team and have an argument, it must follow escalation rules/rule 1. It cannot be detrimental to your team.] -PKPenguin321/Ausops
|KorPhaeron
 
|-
'''Lynching for erotica on comms''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12516#p327160 Lynching for reading smut, WGW, and spamming, especially on comms, is always okay. It also makes the reader nonhuman in silicon eyes.] -PKPenguin321
|'''Are miners turned into a lesser ash drake allowed to defend themselves?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8547#p226265 Yes, however, they are not antags by default.]
'''Roundstart suicide''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3536#p85722 Don't do it as an important role, and if it happens too often, you can be banned.] -KorPhaeron
|KorPhaeron
 
|-
'''Naming Policy''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12374 Click here for the policy. Generally enforced at admin discretion.] -Ausops
|'''Solo antagonists and metagrudging'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12812#p332994 Solo antagonists can metagrudge as long as they are not rolling for it specifically to do so, and killing someone who killed you in a previous life as a ghost role antag is bad.]
'''Trying to get converted to team antags''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12363#p322876 It's bannable, don't do it.]
|Ausops
-PKPenguin321
|-
 
|'''Deleting security records as a nonantag'''
'''Overthrowing security/mutinies''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12230#p319376 Any situation where you can overthrow the security force in, they'll probably already be banned. It's okay if you have sufficient IC reason.] -KorPhaeron
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12649#p329567 Don't do it every round. Don't use a sec/head position to do it. Don't use it to metagrudge.]
 
|Ausops
'''Referencing the gamemode ICly''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12077#p316576 It's OOC in IC if you say something similar to "It's revs" but it's okay if you say "There is a revolution." Basically make it sound like you're not referencing the fact that you're in a round.] -PKPenguin321
|-
 
|'''Deathmatch if round-end is bugged'''
'''Forcing team antags to betray their team''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12004#p314848 Can't do it.] -Ausops
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12708#p330640 If the round fails to restart, but the end round text plays, then everyone is free to act as per solo antagonists unless otherwise told by an admin.]
 
|MrStonedOne
'''Buying terrible shuttles as captain''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11930#p313973 Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch the captain.] -KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
|-
 
|'''Weapons of Mass Destruction to counter antagonists'''
'''Playing under the influence''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11882#p312161 Being drunk is not an excuse for grief/other banworthy things.] -Ausops/PKPenguin321
|An example of this is suicide bombing a wizard or BoH bombing the cult base. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12662#p329751 If use of the weapon does not win the round for your side immediately after, then it is grief and will be treated as such by admins.]
 
|Armhulenn
'''Validity when killing pets''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14718#p369897 If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.] -KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Map-Spawned Ghost Roles'''
|Such as roles spawned from ruins, including ash walkers, free golems, ancient station crew, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12511 Escalation is massively relaxed with them. They must follow their roleplay guidelines found in the flavour text.]
|KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Conflict between team antagonists'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12517#p326955 If two people are on the same team and have an argument, it must follow escalation rules/rule 1. It cannot be detrimental to your team.]
|PKPenguin321/Ausops
|-
|'''Lynching for erotica on comms'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12516#p327160 Lynching for reading smut, WGW, and spamming, especially on comms, is always okay. It also makes the reader nonhuman in silicon eyes.]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Roundstart suicide'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3536#p85722 Don't do it as an important role, and if it happens too often, you can be banned.]
|KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Naming Policy'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12374 Click here for the policy. Generally enforced at admin discretion.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Trying to get converted to team antags'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12363#p322876 It's bannable, don't do it.]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Overthrowing security/mutinies'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12230#p319376 Any situation where you can overthrow the security force in, they'll probably already be banned. It's okay if you have sufficient IC reason.]
|KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Referencing the gamemode ICly'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12077#p316576 It's OOC in IC if you say something similar to "It's revs" but it's okay if you say "There is a revolution." Basically make it sound like you're not referencing the fact that you're in a round.]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Forcing team antags to betray their team'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12004#p314848 Can't do it.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Buying terrible shuttles as captain'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11930#p313973 Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch the captain.]
|KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Playing under the influence'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11882#p312161 Being drunk is not an excuse for grief/other banworthy things.]
|Ausops/PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Validity when killing pets'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14718#p369897 If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.]
|KorPhaeron
|-
|}


==Security Rulings==
==Security Rulings==
 
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'''Organizing mass grief as security or a head''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13223&start=200#p348261 Do not organize mass grief when you are in control of the security force.] For context: The original question was when it was okay to remove cat ears or tails. Click the link to read the full ruling on that subject.
|-
-KorPhaeron
|'''Organizing mass grief as security or a head'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13223&start=200#p348261 Do not organize mass grief when you are in control of the security force.] For context: The original question was when it was okay to remove cat ears or tails. Click the link to read the full ruling on that subject.
'''Bribes as security''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11889#p312277 You can assist antags with sufficient IC reasoning, but you can't do antagonist things yourself.] -Ausops
|KorPhaeron
 
|-
'''Arresting nonantagonists on station vs team antagonist game modes''': By station vs team antagonist game modes, the author of the thread meant nuke ops, blob, wizard, malf, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1105#p22168 Security is still allowed to arrest nonantagonists for crimes on these game modes. That's part of their job.] -Ikkarus
|'''Bribes as security'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11889#p312277 You can assist antags with sufficient IC reasoning, but you can't do antagonist things yourself.]
'''Planting/forging evidence as security''': No official ruling was given. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1257 If you do it and it causes someone to get wrongfully punished, it's on you.] -BeeSting12
|Ausops
 
|-
'''Fortifying security roundstart''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1337#p26622 Barriers roundstart are not allowed, flashers are allowed, giving out guns/armor roundstart is allowed.] -HornyGranny
|'''Arresting nonantagonists on station vs team antagonist game modes'''
|By station vs team antagonist game modes, the author of the thread meant nuke ops, blob, wizard, malf, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1105#p22168 Security is still allowed to arrest nonantagonists for crimes on these game modes. That's part of their job.]
|Ikkarus
|-
|'''Planting/forging evidence as security'''
|No official ruling was given. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1257 If you do it and it causes someone to get wrongfully punished, it's on you.]
|BeeSting12
|-
|'''Fortifying security roundstart'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1337#p26622 Barriers roundstart are not allowed, flashers are allowed, giving out guns/armor roundstart is allowed.]
|HornyGranny
|}


== Silicon and Drone Related Rulings ==
== Silicon and Drone Related Rulings ==
 
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'''Do AIs need a definition of Syndicate agent?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=773#p15454 No, they know by default what a Syndicate agent is. This also applies to other antagonists.] -Hornygranny
|-
 
|'''Do AIs need a definition of Syndicate agent?'''
'''Do wizards mindswapped into a silicon have to follow laws?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1004#p20335 Yes, they do. If you have laws then you must follow them unless you have a law zero.] (When in doubt, adminhelp it.) -Ikarrus
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=773#p15454 No, they know by default what a Syndicate agent is. This also applies to other antagonists.]
 
|Hornygranny
'''Do silicons count as a being under drone laws?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1468#p29681 Yes, treat them as any other crew member.]  
|-
-QuartzCrystal
|'''Do wizards mindswapped into a silicon have to follow laws?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1004#p20335 Yes, they do. If you have laws then you must follow them unless you have a law zero.] (When in doubt, adminhelp it.) -Ikarrus
'''Can you order force-borged cyborgs to pick a certain module?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1628#p34881 Yes.] -Scaredy/An0n3
|-
 
|'''Do silicons count as a being under drone laws?'''
'''Detonating cyborgs with little reason/alternatives''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2233#p49924 Don't do it.] -Ikarrus
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1468#p29681 Yes, treat them as any other crew member.]  
 
|QuartzCrystal
'''Security Cyborg Policies''': Just a few random questions related to security cyborgs. If a cyborg is acting as security/releasing prisoners then this is probably relevant as well. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2032&start=100#p46292 Link to answers.] -Pandarsenic
|-
 
|'''Can you order force-borged cyborgs to pick a certain module?'''
'''Do purged silicons have to act like a crewmember?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2277#p52744 Purged silicons are subject to rule one and standard escalation.]
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1628#p34881 Yes.]
 
|Scaredy/An0n3
'''Silicons and harm in situations where you can't tell if they're being harmed or not.''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2677 Use common sense to decide if harm is going on.]
|-
 
|'''Detonating cyborgs with little reason/alternatives'''
'''Drones and the shuttle''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2618#p60633 Drones have no reason to be on the shuttle and probably shouldn't be there.]  
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2233#p49924 Don't do it.]
-Ikarrus | It's unlikely this will be enforced and it's possibly not even a rule anymore.
|Ikarrus
 
|-
'''AIs asking for law changes''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3793#p93653 An Asimov silicon cannot ask their laws to be changed.] -HotelBravoLima
|'''Security Cyborg Policies'''
 
|Just a few random questions related to security cyborgs. If a cyborg is acting as security/releasing prisoners then this is probably relevant as well. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2032&start=100#p46292 Link to answers.]
'''Discussion on paladin lawset''': No real headmin rulings took place here, this is mainly opinions/discussion about what the laws in the paladin lawset mean. Most relevant is [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3732#p93303 Cheridan's post.]
|Pandarsenic
 
|-
'''Discussion on paladin lawset: Part 2, the electric boogaloo''': Most relevant post is by HotelBravoLima, which applies to law interpretation in general. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3523#p85375 "Even doing something consistent with an interpretation of laws isn't good if you're being an OOC dick about it to such an extreme, that's the policy."] -HotelBravoLima
|'''Do purged silicons have to act like a crewmember?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2277#p52744 Purged silicons are subject to rule one and standard escalation.]
'''Drone Policy Guidelines''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3662 Guide to drone policy.] -Stickymayhem
|-
 
|'''Silicons and harm in situations where you can't tell if they're being harmed or not.'''
'''Are augmented humans still human?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3230#p77761 Yes, they are.] There's a helpful chart in silicon policy to help explain this, reference that and adminhelp if there's still a question. -Scones
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2677 Use common sense to decide if harm is going on.]
 
|-
'''Tyrant module discussion''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4711 Just general discussion on the tyrant lawset.]
|'''Drones and the shuttle'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2618#p60633 Drones have no reason to be on the shuttle and probably shouldn't be there.]  
'''Drones and atmospherics''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4719#p120210 Improving atmos is okay. Cutting pipes/turning off plasma is not okay. Fighting the symptoms of plasma in the distro is fine though.] -Shadowlight213
|Ikarrus | It's unlikely this will be enforced and it's possibly not even a rule anymore.
 
|-
'''Spacing brains, MMIs, and intellicards''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4634#p117723 You can always do it as an antagonist, you should have a very good reason as a nonantagonist.] -Dorsidwarf/Ausops
|'''AIs asking for law changes'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3793#p93653 An Asimov silicon cannot ask their laws to be changed.]
'''Cyborgs alerting the crew they're about to be emagged''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4309 You can tell the crew you are about to be emagged, but once you have traitor laws, you must follow them.]
|HotelBravoLima
 
|-
'''AIs shutting security down because of law one (discussion)''': This is already covered in silicon policy. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5551 Here's the discussion thread on it.]
|'''Discussion on paladin lawset'''
 
|No real headmin rulings took place here, this is mainly opinions/discussion about what the laws in the paladin lawset mean. Most relevant is [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3732#p93303 Cheridan's post.]
'''Is mindswap considered harm?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5180#p133969 No, but if an Asimov silicon has mindswap and is ordered not to use it by a human, it can't use it.] This is kind of an edge case. -Jordie0608
|-
 
|'''Discussion on paladin lawset: Part 2, the electric boogaloo'''
'''Holoparasites and Asimov''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5180#p133969 Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention.] -KorPhaeron and Shadowlight213
|Most relevant post is by HotelBravoLima, which applies to law interpretation in general. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3523#p85375 "Even doing something consistent with an interpretation of laws isn't good if you're being an OOC dick about it to such an extreme, that's the policy."]
 
|HotelBravoLima
'''AI's law zero''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5040#p130138 The law zero that a traitor AI gets means that it is an antagonist and it can ignore all other laws.] -KorPhaeron
|-
 
|'''Drone Policy Guidelines'''
'''Is slipping human harm?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4852#p123557 Only if the object they're holding falls on them and causes brute damage.]  
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3662 Guide to drone policy.]
-Ausops
|Stickymayhem
 
|-
'''If a borg linked to a rogue AI is emagged then does the emagged laws or AI law zero take priority?''': Very niche case and is probably impossible since emags should sever the connection to the AI. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6570#p173807 Starmute made a good post on AI law priority if you are confused.]
|'''Are augmented humans still human?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3230#p77761 Yes, they are.] There's a helpful chart in silicon policy to help explain this, reference that and adminhelp if there's still a question. -Scones
'''Are AI laws applied retroactively?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6351#p166712 No.] You'll have to read this thread to understand it, the question doesn't really provide enough context. -Hornygranny
|-
 
|'''Tyrant module discussion'''
'''Silicons and Fight Clubs''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6285#p164852 It's considered self harm if they're willingly fighting. Silicons shouldn't interfere if it's self harm. If they're being forced to fight, it's human harm and silicons should intervene.] -Thunder12345/Agreed with by headmins
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4711 Just general discussion on the tyrant lawset.]
 
|-
'''Roboticists making unslaved borgs for no reason''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5864 Link to relevant thread.] The discussion derailed into code discussion but the ruling is that roboticists cannot make unslaved borgs for no reason.
|'''Drones and atmospherics'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4719#p120210 Improving atmos is okay. Cutting pipes/turning off plasma is not okay. Fighting the symptoms of plasma in the distro is fine though.]
'''Asimov and gang dominators''': This can probably be applied to other nonharmful antagonist objectives. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6049#p157857 If a human orders you not to destroy it, don't destroy it. Other than that, Asimov does not forbid you from destroying it.] -Ausops
|Shadowlight213
 
|-
'''Drones and permabrig''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8245 You can go in to fix damage.] You might still get dronebanned if you let people out, it will likely be handled case-by-case.
|'''Spacing brains, MMIs, and intellicards'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4634#p117723 You can always do it as an antagonist, you should have a very good reason as a nonantagonist.]
'''Additional discussion on what drones can and can't do''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6226 Linked here.]
|Dorsidwarf/Ausops
 
|-
'''Asimov and Corpses''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7693#p207627 Corpses aren't human. You can't space them for no reason though.] -Shaps/Lzimann
|'''Cyborgs alerting the crew they're about to be emagged'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4309 You can tell the crew you are about to be emagged, but once you have traitor laws, you must follow them.]
'''Do caks remember past lives?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9223#p243589 Yes.] Not really silicon policy but it's related to MMIs/borging.  
|-
-KorPhaeron
|'''AIs shutting security down because of law one (discussion)'''
 
|This is already covered in silicon policy. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5551 Here's the discussion thread on it.]
'''Calling silicons rogue for little/no reason''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8973#p237792 Against the rules, don't do it.] -TehSteveo/KorPhaeron
|-
 
|'''Is mindswap considered harm?'''
'''AI suiciding to prevent subversion''': Context: If an AI knows it will be subverted and cause human harm, can it suicide? Example, clock cultists breaking into core, desword traitor in upload about to subvert, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8376#p221790 It's allowed.] He says it should be bannable not to, but you won't get banned for not doing so, it's up to the player. -KorPhaeron
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5180#p133969 No, but if an Asimov silicon has mindswap and is ordered not to use it by a human, it can't use it.] This is kind of an edge case. -Jordie0608
 
|-
'''Asking to be deconstructed and then outing person who emagged you as an emagged borg''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11561#p304378 Don't do it.]
|'''Holoparasites and Asimov'''
-PKPenguin321
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5180#p133969 Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention.]
 
|KorPhaeron and Shadowlight213
'''Potential Law One Violations''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11563#p304371 "Prioritizing "potential future law violations" is a fucking terrible idea, since it makes silicons able to handwave basically any law two request with "yeah but if i let you in there you might potentially attack somebody inside, law 1 violation!!!""] -PKPenguin321
|-
 
|'''AI's law zero'''
'''Silicons and Prisoners''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10719#p292504 If a nonharmful prisoner asks to be released, it can be released. If a harmful one asks to be released, don't release him unless security is harming him. In all cases release prisoners being harmed by security. (assuming all prisoners are human and you are asimov)] -PKPenguin321
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5040#p130138 The law zero that a traitor AI gets means that it is an antagonist and it can ignore all other laws.]
 
|KorPhaeron
'''Letting people in to upload laws''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10691#p280627 If the person has a right to be there, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws.] -Armhulenn
|-
 
|'''Is slipping human harm?'''
'''Are drones valid?''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12992#p337183 Only if they do something to annoy you. Mass killing drones for no reason is not okay.]
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4852#p123557 Only if the object they're holding falls on them and causes brute damage.]  
-KorPhaeron
|Ausops
 
|-
'''Drones building autocloners''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12879#p334934 Fine unless done to interfere with other players.]
|'''If a borg linked to a rogue AI is emagged then does the emagged laws or AI law zero take priority?'''
-Ausops
|Very niche case and is probably impossible since emags should sever the connection to the AI. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6570#p173807 Starmute made a good post on AI law priority if you are confused.]
 
|-
'''Drones and Powersinks''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12790#p332497 Drones cannot destroy powersinks under the same logic of them not being able to defuse bombs or stop plasma floods.] -Ausops
|'''Are AI laws applied retroactively?'''
 
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6351#p166712 No.] You'll have to read this thread to understand it, the question doesn't really provide enough context. -Hornygranny
'''Laws ordering silicons to kill themselves''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12280#p320537 Whether silicons have to follow it depends on wording of law. You must have a good reason as a nonantagonist and you're free to do it as an antagonist.] -Ausops
|-
 
|'''Silicons and Fight Clubs'''
'''Law interpretation and do not state this law clauses''': [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12627#p328678 There is room for interpretation in some cases. Be consistent in your interpretation of the laws.] -Ausops
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6285#p164852 It's considered self harm if they're willingly fighting. Silicons shouldn't interfere if it's self harm. If they're being forced to fight, it's human harm and silicons should intervene.]
|Thunder12345/Agreed with by headmins
|-
|'''Roboticists making unslaved borgs for no reason'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5864 Link to relevant thread.] The discussion derailed into code discussion but the ruling is that roboticists cannot make unslaved borgs for no reason.
|-
|'''Asimov and gang dominators'''
|This can probably be applied to other nonharmful antagonist objectives. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6049#p157857 If a human orders you not to destroy it, don't destroy it. Other than that, Asimov does not forbid you from destroying it.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Drones and permabrig'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8245 You can go in to fix damage.] You might still get dronebanned if you let people out, it will likely be handled case-by-case.
|-
|'''Additional discussion on what drones can and can't do'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6226 Linked here.]
|-
|'''Asimov and Corpses'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7693#p207627 Corpses aren't human. You can't space them for no reason though.]
|Shaps/Lzimann
|-
|'''Do caks remember past lives?'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9223#p243589 Yes.] Not really silicon policy but it's related to MMIs/borging.  
|KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Calling silicons rogue for little/no reason'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8973#p237792 Against the rules, don't do it.]
|TehSteveo/KorPhaeron
|-
|'''AI suiciding to prevent subversion'''
|Context: If an AI knows it will be subverted and cause human harm, can it suicide? Example, clock cultists breaking into core, desword traitor in upload about to subvert, etc. [https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8376#p221790 It's allowed.] He says it should be bannable not to, but you won't get banned for not doing so, it's up to the player. -KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Asking to be deconstructed and then outing person who emagged you as an emagged borg'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11561#p304378 Don't do it.]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Potential Law One Violations'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11563#p304371 "Prioritizing "potential future law violations" is a fucking terrible idea, since it makes silicons able to handwave basically any law two request with "yeah but if i let you in there you might potentially attack somebody inside, law 1 violation!!!""]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Silicons and Prisoners'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10719#p292504 If a nonharmful prisoner asks to be released, it can be released. If a harmful one asks to be released, don't release him unless security is harming him. In all cases release prisoners being harmed by security. (assuming all prisoners are human and you are asimov)]
|PKPenguin321
|-
|'''Letting people in to upload laws'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10691#p280627 If the person has a right to be there, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws.]
|Armhulenn
|-
|'''Are drones valid?'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12992#p337183 Only if they do something to annoy you. Mass killing drones for no reason is not okay.]
|KorPhaeron
|-
|'''Drones building autocloners'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12879#p334934 Fine unless done to interfere with other players.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Drones and Powersinks'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12790#p332497 Drones cannot destroy powersinks under the same logic of them not being able to defuse bombs or stop plasma floods.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Laws ordering silicons to kill themselves'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12280#p320537 Whether silicons have to follow it depends on wording of law. You must have a good reason as a nonantagonist and you're free to do it as an antagonist.]
|Ausops
|-
|'''Law interpretation and do not state this law clauses'''
|[https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12627#p328678 There is room for interpretation in some cases. Be consistent in your interpretation of the laws.]
|Ausops
|}

Версия от 22:34, 4 сентября 2018

This is a compilation of headmin rulings on various policy questions asked by players. This page does not replace the rules and whenever possible the rules should be referred to instead of this page. The rulings listed here can be referenced in ban appeals and admin complaints.

Please note: Some of these questions are for very niche/specific situations. Some of them cannot be applied the same way to every situation.

General Rulings

Vampire Policy Vampires are not antagonists just by being a vampire. KorPhaeron
Adminshopping Admin shopping is defined as going to different admins until you get a favorable ruling. It's highly frowned upon, don't do it. Feemjmeem/Agreed with by other headmins
Mass identity duplication Changing many people into one person via genetics/other methods as a nonantagonist. It can happen every once in a while, just don't do it every single round. Armhulenn
IC Torture Don't complain if you get retaliated against for it. KorPhaeron
Admin intervention without anyone ahelping It's allowed. Ausops
Pile on ick ock Pile on ick ock is defined as a bunch of people teasing someone for IC in OOCing. It's okay until it crosses the line into being spam. Admins can mute OOC/individual players if it gets to that point. Ausops
IC reactions to OOC in IC It's okay as long as you're not crossing the line into OOC in IC. Ausops
Killing nonhostile admin spawned entities Against the rules, don't do it. PKPenguin321
Are spiders bound to the mother? Unless there's a message saying you are, the answer is no. Armhulenn
Using OOC to promote yourself for headmin elections One or two lines of text is fine, spamming is not. PKPenguin321
Are miners using the gluttony syringe antags? Yes, they can act as a morph. KorPhaeron
Are miners turned into a lesser ash drake allowed to defend themselves? Yes, however, they are not antags by default. KorPhaeron
Solo antagonists and metagrudging Solo antagonists can metagrudge as long as they are not rolling for it specifically to do so, and killing someone who killed you in a previous life as a ghost role antag is bad. Ausops
Deleting security records as a nonantag Don't do it every round. Don't use a sec/head position to do it. Don't use it to metagrudge. Ausops
Deathmatch if round-end is bugged If the round fails to restart, but the end round text plays, then everyone is free to act as per solo antagonists unless otherwise told by an admin. MrStonedOne
Weapons of Mass Destruction to counter antagonists An example of this is suicide bombing a wizard or BoH bombing the cult base. If use of the weapon does not win the round for your side immediately after, then it is grief and will be treated as such by admins. Armhulenn
Map-Spawned Ghost Roles Such as roles spawned from ruins, including ash walkers, free golems, ancient station crew, etc. Escalation is massively relaxed with them. They must follow their roleplay guidelines found in the flavour text. KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
Conflict between team antagonists If two people are on the same team and have an argument, it must follow escalation rules/rule 1. It cannot be detrimental to your team. PKPenguin321/Ausops
Lynching for erotica on comms Lynching for reading smut, WGW, and spamming, especially on comms, is always okay. It also makes the reader nonhuman in silicon eyes. PKPenguin321
Roundstart suicide Don't do it as an important role, and if it happens too often, you can be banned. KorPhaeron
Naming Policy Click here for the policy. Generally enforced at admin discretion. Ausops
Trying to get converted to team antags It's bannable, don't do it. PKPenguin321
Overthrowing security/mutinies Any situation where you can overthrow the security force in, they'll probably already be banned. It's okay if you have sufficient IC reason. KorPhaeron
Referencing the gamemode ICly It's OOC in IC if you say something similar to "It's revs" but it's okay if you say "There is a revolution." Basically make it sound like you're not referencing the fact that you're in a round. PKPenguin321
Forcing team antags to betray their team Can't do it. Ausops
Buying terrible shuttles as captain Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch the captain. KorPhaeron/PKPenguin321
Playing under the influence Being drunk is not an excuse for grief/other banworthy things. Ausops/PKPenguin321
Validity when killing pets If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you. KorPhaeron

Security Rulings

Organizing mass grief as security or a head Do not organize mass grief when you are in control of the security force. For context: The original question was when it was okay to remove cat ears or tails. Click the link to read the full ruling on that subject. KorPhaeron
Bribes as security You can assist antags with sufficient IC reasoning, but you can't do antagonist things yourself. Ausops
Arresting nonantagonists on station vs team antagonist game modes By station vs team antagonist game modes, the author of the thread meant nuke ops, blob, wizard, malf, etc. Security is still allowed to arrest nonantagonists for crimes on these game modes. That's part of their job. Ikkarus
Planting/forging evidence as security No official ruling was given. If you do it and it causes someone to get wrongfully punished, it's on you. BeeSting12
Fortifying security roundstart Barriers roundstart are not allowed, flashers are allowed, giving out guns/armor roundstart is allowed. HornyGranny

Silicon and Drone Related Rulings

Do AIs need a definition of Syndicate agent? No, they know by default what a Syndicate agent is. This also applies to other antagonists. Hornygranny
Do wizards mindswapped into a silicon have to follow laws? Yes, they do. If you have laws then you must follow them unless you have a law zero. (When in doubt, adminhelp it.) -Ikarrus
Do silicons count as a being under drone laws? Yes, treat them as any other crew member. QuartzCrystal
Can you order force-borged cyborgs to pick a certain module? Yes. Scaredy/An0n3
Detonating cyborgs with little reason/alternatives Don't do it. Ikarrus
Security Cyborg Policies Just a few random questions related to security cyborgs. If a cyborg is acting as security/releasing prisoners then this is probably relevant as well. Link to answers. Pandarsenic
Do purged silicons have to act like a crewmember? Purged silicons are subject to rule one and standard escalation.
Silicons and harm in situations where you can't tell if they're being harmed or not. Use common sense to decide if harm is going on.
Drones and the shuttle Drones have no reason to be on the shuttle and probably shouldn't be there. It's unlikely this will be enforced and it's possibly not even a rule anymore.
AIs asking for law changes An Asimov silicon cannot ask their laws to be changed. HotelBravoLima
Discussion on paladin lawset No real headmin rulings took place here, this is mainly opinions/discussion about what the laws in the paladin lawset mean. Most relevant is Cheridan's post.
Discussion on paladin lawset: Part 2, the electric boogaloo Most relevant post is by HotelBravoLima, which applies to law interpretation in general. "Even doing something consistent with an interpretation of laws isn't good if you're being an OOC dick about it to such an extreme, that's the policy." HotelBravoLima
Drone Policy Guidelines Guide to drone policy. Stickymayhem
Are augmented humans still human? Yes, they are. There's a helpful chart in silicon policy to help explain this, reference that and adminhelp if there's still a question. -Scones
Tyrant module discussion Just general discussion on the tyrant lawset.
Drones and atmospherics Improving atmos is okay. Cutting pipes/turning off plasma is not okay. Fighting the symptoms of plasma in the distro is fine though. Shadowlight213
Spacing brains, MMIs, and intellicards You can always do it as an antagonist, you should have a very good reason as a nonantagonist. Dorsidwarf/Ausops
Cyborgs alerting the crew they're about to be emagged You can tell the crew you are about to be emagged, but once you have traitor laws, you must follow them.
AIs shutting security down because of law one (discussion) This is already covered in silicon policy. Here's the discussion thread on it.
Is mindswap considered harm? No, but if an Asimov silicon has mindswap and is ordered not to use it by a human, it can't use it. This is kind of an edge case. -Jordie0608
Holoparasites and Asimov Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention. KorPhaeron and Shadowlight213
AI's law zero The law zero that a traitor AI gets means that it is an antagonist and it can ignore all other laws. KorPhaeron
Is slipping human harm? Only if the object they're holding falls on them and causes brute damage. Ausops
If a borg linked to a rogue AI is emagged then does the emagged laws or AI law zero take priority? Very niche case and is probably impossible since emags should sever the connection to the AI. Starmute made a good post on AI law priority if you are confused.
Are AI laws applied retroactively? No. You'll have to read this thread to understand it, the question doesn't really provide enough context. -Hornygranny
Silicons and Fight Clubs It's considered self harm if they're willingly fighting. Silicons shouldn't interfere if it's self harm. If they're being forced to fight, it's human harm and silicons should intervene. Thunder12345/Agreed with by headmins
Roboticists making unslaved borgs for no reason Link to relevant thread. The discussion derailed into code discussion but the ruling is that roboticists cannot make unslaved borgs for no reason.
Asimov and gang dominators This can probably be applied to other nonharmful antagonist objectives. If a human orders you not to destroy it, don't destroy it. Other than that, Asimov does not forbid you from destroying it. Ausops
Drones and permabrig You can go in to fix damage. You might still get dronebanned if you let people out, it will likely be handled case-by-case.
Additional discussion on what drones can and can't do Linked here.
Asimov and Corpses Corpses aren't human. You can't space them for no reason though. Shaps/Lzimann
Do caks remember past lives? Yes. Not really silicon policy but it's related to MMIs/borging. KorPhaeron
Calling silicons rogue for little/no reason Against the rules, don't do it. TehSteveo/KorPhaeron
AI suiciding to prevent subversion Context: If an AI knows it will be subverted and cause human harm, can it suicide? Example, clock cultists breaking into core, desword traitor in upload about to subvert, etc. It's allowed. He says it should be bannable not to, but you won't get banned for not doing so, it's up to the player. -KorPhaeron
Asking to be deconstructed and then outing person who emagged you as an emagged borg Don't do it. PKPenguin321
Potential Law One Violations "Prioritizing "potential future law violations" is a fucking terrible idea, since it makes silicons able to handwave basically any law two request with "yeah but if i let you in there you might potentially attack somebody inside, law 1 violation!!!"" PKPenguin321
Silicons and Prisoners If a nonharmful prisoner asks to be released, it can be released. If a harmful one asks to be released, don't release him unless security is harming him. In all cases release prisoners being harmed by security. (assuming all prisoners are human and you are asimov) PKPenguin321
Letting people in to upload laws If the person has a right to be there, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws. Armhulenn
Are drones valid? Only if they do something to annoy you. Mass killing drones for no reason is not okay. KorPhaeron
Drones building autocloners Fine unless done to interfere with other players. Ausops
Drones and Powersinks Drones cannot destroy powersinks under the same logic of them not being able to defuse bombs or stop plasma floods. Ausops
Laws ordering silicons to kill themselves Whether silicons have to follow it depends on wording of law. You must have a good reason as a nonantagonist and you're free to do it as an antagonist. Ausops
Law interpretation and do not state this law clauses There is room for interpretation in some cases. Be consistent in your interpretation of the laws. Ausops